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\t\t\t\tA recent posting on an InternetNZ list mailing reminded me of just how far we have come. In March, 1995, I took the minutes of the\u00a0New Zealand\u00a0Internet Society of \u00a0steering group meeting.<\/p>\n

Just so we’re clear on what the Internet was back then, the Web was only just beginning to get traction; typical data rates were 48 kbps; establishments such as universities had rates of up to 256 kbps, the total amount of Internet bandwidth out of the country was (I think) 384 kbps. That’s the same amount as six phone calls. Most traffic was email and file downloads using FTP. Interactive services usually required a terminal session using Telnet.\u00a0Dial-up Internet was only just becoming available; most services that you could use from home required you to dial into an Internet-connected computer service using a terminal emulator, and running your mail program and FTP downloads from there; if you wanted to download a file to your computer, you used a file transfer program like Zmodem to suck it down from the service provider’s computer after the FTP download had finished.<\/p>\n

So the Internet was still a new thing. We were still trying to get to grips with how things should be done. So far, all the officialness required was being done through the Tuia Society, which was simply not equipped to address interests outside the immediate research and education community. It did, to its credit, recognise that this baton needed to be passed onto a more broad-based organisation. The March meeting was to explore the possibility of creating an New Zealand Internet Society, possibly as a chapter of the international Internet Society.<\/p>\n

The technology to record this ground breaking meeting?\u00a0Pen and paper.<\/p>\n

Here, then, are the minutes to that meeting:<\/p>\n

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That 1995 diary documents what was for me something of an annus mirabilis<\/em>; in particular, NetLink was formed in that year, and by the end of 1995 had expanded into Auckland (picking up the University of Auckland’s Internet operation) and Christchurch, in the process marking the transition of Internet services provision from being something that University computing services departments did to commercial operations.<\/p>\n

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So you don’t have to decipher my God-awful handwriting, below is the text formatted version that was subsequently sent out.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Internet Society NZ Steering Group Meeting\n\nHeld at Victoria University of Wellington on 10 March 1995\n\nMinutes\n\nPresent:\n\nNeil James, Otago University (Convener)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 neil@otago.ac.nz\nKim Scheinberg, Internet Company of NZ Ltd\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 kim@iconz.co.nz\nLydia Klimovitch, NZLIA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fax (04) 499 1480\nPeter Whimp, Industrial Research Ltd\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 pwhimp@irl.cri.nz\nColin Jackson, IT Policy Unit\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Colin.Jackson@comms.moc.govt.nz\nFrank March, Victoria University if Wellington\u00a0 Frank.March@vuw.ac.nz\nRichard Naylor, Wellington City Council\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 naylor@wcc.govt.nz\nAnne Scott, Lincoln University\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 a.scott@lincoln.ac.nz\nJohn Vorstermans, Actrix Networks Ltd\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 john@actrix.gen.nz\nIan Mitchell, New Zealand Computer Society\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ianm@iconz.co.nz\nJohn Houlker, University of Waikato\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 j.houlker@waikato.ac.nz\nDon Hollander, TUANZ\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 70650.2123@compuserve.com\nDon Stokes, Victoria University of Wellington\u00a0\u00a0 don@vuw.ac.nz\n\nApologies:\n\nPhillip Lindsay, AgResearch Ltd\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 lindsayp@invermay.cri.nz\nMark Topping, University of Waikato\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 m.topping@waikato.ac.nz\nJim Higgins, World Communications Laboratory\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 jhiggins@nzonline.ac.nz\n\nThe meeting opened at 10:10.\n\n(3) Purpose of meeting\n\nNJ outlined the history so far.\u00a0 At present, the Tuia Society is the \nonly group purporting to co-ordinate activities on the NZ Internet.\u00a0 At \nthe Tuia AGM late last year, it was accepted that Tuia is not \nrepresentative of NZ Internet users, and that it should concentrate on \nits core sites and another organisation should be formed to properly \nrepresent the interests of other users.\u00a0 Furthermore, Tuia is prepared \nto sponsor the formation of this organisation up to $10,000.\n\nThe purpose of the meeting is to decide if an NZ Internet Society\n(ISOCNZ) is needed, and if so, to formulate a plan to form it.\n\n(4) The Internet Society\n\nJH explained the current Internet Society (ISOC) structure:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ISOC\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \/\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \\\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 IANA\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 IAB\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \/\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \\\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 IP registries\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 IETF\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \/\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \\\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \/|\\\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 NIC\u00a0 RIPENCC\u00a0 APNIC\u00a0\u00a0 Working Groups\n\nJH went on to explain the situation as it stands with the domain name\nsystem delegations and Internet number assignment.\u00a0 NZ is currently\nserved by the Asia\/Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) for\nassignment of Internet numbers.\u00a0 The APNIC is dependent on donations for\nits funding, a situation that cannot continue indefinitely.\u00a0 Funding\nrelationships with ISOC are preferred over direct charges to users. \nName delegation is done by UoW with some delegation to VUW, and some \npreparatory work toward setting up an NZ NIC is being done.\n\nJH suggested that the relationships should be something like:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 IANA---policy---ISOC\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 technical\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 APNIC--policy---ISOCAP\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 technical\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 NZNIC--policy---ISOCNZ\n\nPlacing an NZNIC directly under the NIC would require top level support.\nJH also observed that attempts to charge for NIC activities has provoked \nhails of protest from the Internet community.\u00a0 He also noted that much \nof the resources consumed in running a NIC are in providing advice to \nusers rather than actual assignments, and that delegating the consulting \nto providers would greatly reduce the load on an NZNIC.\n\nAPNIC expects NZ to provide funding in the vicinity of US$10-20,000.\n\nFM expressed support for the development function of the APNIC, as South \nEast Asia is an increasingly important region for NZ.\n\nJH stated that NZGate is not-for-profit and explained the history.\u00a0 \nNZGate started with funding from NASA through the PACCOM consortium \nwhich funded half of the initial link and sponsors access through the \nNSFnet.\u00a0 Transit through NSFnet access will cease on 30 April 1995.\u00a0 \n\nFM said that Tuia is the only major non-commercial group providing \nInternet service, and that it had backed away from increasing its \nmembership.\u00a0 As such, it is not representative of the fastest growing \nsectors, and that some other group needs to take over the network-wide \nfunctions.\u00a0 There has been strong resistance from the CRIs toward \nproviding funding for Tuia, leaving it with a budget of $12-15,000, \nmostly used for covering air fares.\u00a0 A surplus is available for funding \nthe setup of ISOCNZ.\n\nKS raised the question of whether an ISOCNZ should get involved with\nissues of legal liability, such as the import of the alt.sex newsgroups\netc.\u00a0 JH stated that ISOC has avoided getting involved in such issues,\nso ISOCNZ would be departing from established practice.\u00a0 Rather, ISOC\nconcerns itself with technical matters.\n\n(5) Reasons for establishment of ISOCNZ\n\nNJ brought the discussion back to the question of whether ISOCNZ is \nnecessary, noting that there seemed to be consensus that it is.\n\n(6) Discussion of the form ISOCNZ would take\n\nDH saw three areas ISOCNZ could work in: education, administration and \nservice.\u00a0 \n\nJH asked if ISOCNZ should be involved in being a service provider.\u00a0 RN\nfelt that management and funding should be provided for the \"logical\"\nlevel that cannot easily be managed by individual providers.\u00a0 JH agreed \nthat low level service provision should be kept separate.\u00a0 NJ said \nISOCNZ has a role in preventing capture of central service.\n\nJH stated that ISOC delegates responsibility but not control of the \nInternet; control being up to individual countries' legal processes.\n\nFM described the Net Society.\u00a0 The Net Society is an end users group,\nset up to incorporate users of all networks, not just the Internet,\nhence the name, but note that the name Internet Society of NZ was very\nnearly chosen for that group.\u00a0 The group is influenced by the Electronic\nFrontier Foundation and other similar groups.\u00a0 CJ noted that the Net\nSociety was largely formed in response to Trever Rogers' Technology and\nCrimes Reform bill, and was more concerned with content of the net than\ninfrastructure.\u00a0 FM pointed out that the only group concerned with\ninfrastructure is Tuia.\n\nNJ asked that the group enunciate the possible objectives of ISOCNZ.\u00a0 \nRN suggested that NJ's paper be used as a guide.\u00a0 \n\nThere was some discussion about funding and structure.\u00a0 JH suggested\nISOCNZ should become a legal entity and support an NZNIC, noting that\nsetting up both organisations as separate legal entities would incur \nsignificant costs.\u00a0 JH also suggested ISOCNZ should be funded by \nmembership fees.\n\nRN drew a functional diagram of the WCC as a guide:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 City\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 _________________________|________________________\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 |\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Planning\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Governance\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Services\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Monitoring\n\nJH compared ISOC with the ITU, noting that ITU's governance is based on \ntreaties between governments.\u00a0 \n\nNJ quoted the purpose from the ISOCNZ paper, and added that ISOCNZ would \nnot have a role in running the NZ backbone.\u00a0 DH suggested that the word \n\"communicate\" should be inserted into the line containing 'co-operate \nand innovate'.\u00a0 CJ said that ISOCNZ should set an environment for \nproviding services.\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Purpose\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The purpose of NZISOC will be:\u00a0 To maintain and extend the\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 availability of the Internet in New Zealand and its associated\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 technologies and applications, both as an end in itself, and as\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 means of enabling organisations, professionals and individuals\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 to more effectively collaborate, cooperate, communicate and\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 innovate in their respective fields of interest. Following the\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 goals and purpose for ISOC the specific goals and purpose for\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 NZISOC could be:\n\nNJ lead the discussion through the stated goals and purposes.\n\nUnder (a), FM suggested that there may be NZ standards worth promoting \nwithin NZ:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (a) development, maintenance, evolution, and dissemination\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 of standards for the Internet and its inter-networking\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 technologies and applications;\n\nUnder (b), IM noted that \"administrative\" includes the activities of an \nNZNIC.\u00a0 NJ said that ISOCNZ should claim control of NZ namespace for \nadministration by NZNIC.\u00a0 JH suggested that ISOCNZ could act as an \narbitrator in disputes involving NZNIC activities before such disputes \nwent to court.\u00a0 LK suggested that ISOCNZ should not limit itself too \nmuch in its scope. \n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (b) maintenance and evolution of effective administrative\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 processes necessary for operation of the New Zealand Internet;\n\n(c) passed without further discussion.\u00a0 NJ suggested that (d) should add \n\"including but not limited to IP and DNS\":\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (c) education and research related to the Internet and\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 inter-networking;\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (d) harmonization of actions and activities at national levels to\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 facilitate the development and availability of the Internet\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 including but not limited to IP and DNS;\n\n(e) and (f) also pass without further discussion.\u00a0 RN noted that there \nwas not mention of ISOCNZ's position internationally.\u00a0 FM asked if \nISOCNZ should select representatives to international forums.\u00a0 \n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (e) collection and dissemination of information related to the\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Internet and inter-networking, including histories and\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 archives;\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (f) liaison with other organizations, New Zealand Government\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 authorities, and the general public for coordination,\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 collaboration, and education in effecting the above purposes.\n\nIM said there should be an expression of the relationship with ISOC.\u00a0 RN \nsuggested adding:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 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executive, and \nmove in three steps:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1\u00a0 Set up ISOCNZ and announce its presence\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 2\u00a0 Set up interim arrangements to develop a constitution\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 3\u00a0 Call for membership and officers\n\n(10) Membership of ISOCNZ steering group\n\nNJ agreed that the Steering Group is the right group to continue the \nprocess.\u00a0 RN pointed out that the constitution developed by the Steering \nGroup can only be a draft before being ratified by members.\n\nFM suggested a need to set up an open mailing list and newsgroup for \nISOCNZ.\u00a0 CJ stated that an internal executive list is also needed.\u00a0 \n\n(9) Election of interim convener of ISOCNZ steering group\n\nNJ called for nominations for a convener.\u00a0 IM nominated NJ, seconded KS. \nNJ accepted.\n\nNJ expressed concern that ISOCNZ would be viewed as a clique.\u00a0 RN \nsuggested that it needs to be framed as an interim group.\u00a0 \n\n(11) Assignment of tasks and (8) Timetable for establishment\n\nRN listed the tasks that need to done to get ISOCNZ:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Press release\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: FM\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 15\/3\/1995\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Draft constitution, 1st draft\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: NJ CJ FM\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 31\/3\/1995\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Draft constitution, final draft \n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: NJ CJ FM\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 31\/4\/1995\n\nFM said Liz McLaine at the National Library has offered the Nat Lib \nauditorium for an inaugural meeting.\n\nIM pointed out that ISOCNZ will need a secretariat to answer inquiries \nas soon as ISOCNZ is announced.\u00a0 This includes subscription to email \nlists, fax, and human on the phone, eg an 800 number.\u00a0 Secretariat \nactions:\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 800 number (eg 0800-476-261 -- 0800-ISOCNZ)\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: IM\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 15\/3\/1995\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 WWW Page server\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: JH\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 15\/3\/1995\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 WWW Page content\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: JV\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 15\/3\/1995\n\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fax-back\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ACTION: IM\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 BY: 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